Simon responded to a question I asked by saying
“Yes I generaly agree that desire is first expirenced as a thought ,I would add that
desire can also be first expirenced as an image or a feeling.”
I answered Simon with the following: I have explored this deeply for years and I don’t think it is quite accurate that images and feelings can be experienced separately. I have identified a cycle of mind activity that I demonstrate to my audiences with a visualizing activity that would be difficult to duplicate here. In that activity my audience can experience the thought cycle in a conscious manner and then experience that our conscious control point in that natural mind cycle is choice of language.
Mental Images appear from three sources,
Memory – of what has been seen in nature or what has been seen that another person created by the use of language.
Inspiration (also memory but from an unconscious level of activity) – even though the origin of inspired images is unclear to the receiver, every example I’ve been able to experience or research has been a result or re-arrangement of what has been seen in nature or what has been already created by another via language
Direct creating of the image via language. Except for the images created by language the only other source of image is what already exists in nature and even that may have been created with language originally. In the Bible, John 1:1 it says, “In the beginning was the word. the word was with God and the word was God.” The only change in the latin Vugate translation is the last phrase which says, “God was the Word.”
Here’s the mind cycle I referred to above:
ALL language creates a mental image (more accurately, all sound creates a mental image, even the letters of words).
ALL images and even all fragments of images are felt in the mind and therefore will be felt physically also (what you are feeling is the vibration of the sound/image).
ALL feelings stimulate more language (conscious and unconscious).
You can REMEMBER an inner feeling you have felt before but you cannot CREATE an inner feeling without the inner sound (usually language) that vibrates in such a way that it produces a particular image and feeling. The importance of feelings are that they we are nearly always conscious of them even though the language/image may be UNconscious (often is). Therefore, feelings are a VERY important access to our unconscious creating.
If you bring a feeling into your conscious mind from a memory, you will not be able to hold that feeling in place for it to manifest in your physical experiene IF your everyday language is unconsciously creating images and feelings that are in conflict with the remembered feeling that you would like to keep. (That is usually the case at this time in our collective evolution or awakening).
The same thing happens if you bring a remembered Image into your mind. You will not be able to hold that image in place long enough to allow it to manifest in your physical experience IF you are unconsciously using everyday language that is creating counter-images that are in conflict with the remembered image that you would like to keep.
That is also true if you use language to create a new image as so many of us are doing with our kins domains. We are talking about what we would like in our effort to create the details of the image (and therefore the physical experience) of our kins domain. As we fill in those details and get a clearer image that can begin to manifest, we will only manifest the preferred image of the kins domain to the degree that the rest of our everyday language supports that preferred image.
If our everyday language is being driven by old UNconscious programming, and if that is creating mental images that are in conflict with our preferred image of kin domain life, our subconscious activity (God) MUST manifest the future that will include those (unwanted) feelings as well. We’ve all experienced a LOT of that, where we actually got what we created but it didn’t feel so good or work so well after we got it.
To continue the cycle, inner feeling generates more language. We talk about our feelings, we think about them, we try to understand them, make them go away, make them stay, improve them, etc. All of that is done with inner and outer language or even with just rudimentary sounds (like crying, laughing, moaning, etc.).
In that cycle of language-creates-image-which-is-then-felt, our only true control point in co-creating, is through language (silent or out-loud or both). Language forms the old and new programs which run through our mind and conversations over and over, unconsciously. Even though they are unconscious they are continutally creating images which may be conscious or unconscious, and therefore feelings which are generally conscious but can be blocked by numbness. Even though the programming runs unconsciously, we can bring it to our conscious awareness at any time and change or tweak the programming.
At the collective level, humans are just beginning to become aware of this level of previously unconscious mind activity. I call it the beginning level of God-Self awareness. We are learning that we have always been unconsciously working the God-control panel of our lives, and are beginning to practice with consciously working the God-control panel of our lives.
Simon continued his thought about desires being created by feelings and images by saying…and then it is defined and held with more thoughts,
My answer to Simon: YES, and I would add that it is defined and held with thoughts, further images or a focus of your energy. I already talked about images. At the mind level, energy can only be focused by thought (energy is subtle electrical fields and flow in the physical expression). Ultimately, thought can only be focused (organized) by language or sound. Language is simply complex organization of rudimentary sounds.
Simon wrote: You asked for my My thoughts on 1 timothy 6,10
the normal (king james,american) translation “for the love of money is the root of all kinds
of evils etc is not my favorit translation, I think that the latin Vugate translation is best.
it goes “For desire is the root of all evils. some persons, hungering in this way, have strayed from the faith and have entangled themselves in many sorrows.”
This is the second time that when looking into a bible passage that the latin Vugate translation, to me makes more sence (you can find it at www.sacredbible.org/studybible/index.htm) ,what do you think/feel about the different translations?
My answer: Thank you for introducing me to the latin Vugate translation of the Bible, Simon. I have not known of it before and I appreciate the link. I generally do not study the bible. I read it through several times as a child and a teenager but as an adult I rely mostly on my memory of that.
I would say that wrong (not aware of god/love/perfection ) desire is the root of all evil. I am not comfortable with the word wrong without clarification of its intent. The only thing that would make a choice “wrong” would be that it results in a manifestation of experience that is other than the one preferred. There can be no true “wrong” choices (determined by a moral judgment of right and wrong.)
Simon wrote: the ringing cedars on the three paragraphs starting “So much depends on”(page 246)
the way I would say it is-
how strong the feeling/desire is: is the disire in tune/alined with your overall goals?
are the goals of a nature that forces of light/ancestors/etc want to help with it?
My answer: This line contains a very big collection of information that must be addressed. Here, I would have to ask the kind of questions that Zorak (a forum friend) asks so well. Who are you? Who are these forces of light/ancestors/etc? Answer that truthfully and the entire discussion changes. Does being a “force of light” mean they are immune from any kind of error? (as you have asked in another application) (Does error even truly exist?) If light forces are immune to error, wouldn’t dark forces also be immune to error? If not, how did that occur? Who is the “authority” who can decide what is force of light and what is force of darkness? Where is grey in that scale? Does being an ancestor mean no errors are made and their understanding is impeccable and worthy of being an “authority” in accepting or rejecting your personal attempted creation? How do ancestors get the kind of authority and power to decide if your creation will be manifested? Who grants authority to whatever “beings” or “forces” are deciding if your image will be manifested? What if ancestors are aligned with the dark forces like Anastasia’s great grandfather who was one of the six priests? Your sentence, that is referred to here, has no true meaning until you have answered all of those questions and more.
Simon continued: all the above would play a part in how effective the thought is .
how would you put it?
I would say that Anastasia was explaining to Vladimir in language and structure that he could understand and accept. The real and whole truth is present in the next paragraphs when she said that it is still Man’s desire that is first and foremost! In several places throughout the books she has referred to thought as the fundamental element of creating. In Book three (new version) page 213 at the bottom of the page it says, “Thought is the chief instrument of the Great Creator.” If one understands the Great Creator to be separate from Man then the next sentences in the book are needed to communicate a degree of understanding. If one understands that the term child of God is a way to communicate the experience of God (single universal consciousness) becoming self-aware in the collective physical experience of mankind, the words chosen to communicate that process would be a bit different. Anastasia has said that she has chosen to communicate in the language of Vladimir and to bring him to understanding from his own starting point.
On the forum when I wrote about the experience of core Self (God-Self) I didn’t say one very important thing that applies a bit to this discussion. Common to nearly everyone, after returning to everyday life from an experience of Core-Self, is the awareness that the commonly accepted arrangement of language is no longer capable of fully and precisely communicating the Truth. One automatically begins using other arrangements of language made of the same words but arranged differently because of the awareness of another level of meaning that one is attempting to communicate. When Anastasia said she was communicating to Vladimir with his language I’m sure this is what she was referring to. The truth is contained in her words but sometimes it is additionally communicated in a form that is arranged to communicate to one with a current lack of awareness of that other level of meaning.
Throughout the books I have noticed how Anastasia has carefully, slightly and steadily rearranged the words she uses to gently (almost imperceptibly) move the reader’s understanding (and Vladimir’s) closer to the real truth that is beneath every thing we are experiencing and have experienced as humans on this planet. I have been amazed and thrilled with her ability to do that so effectively.
Simon commented: two other comments
FEELINGS, are (can be) much better (quicker) than thoughts in understanding things.
My answer: The above discussion of the cycle of mind activity touched on this. When you feel something, you are feeling the combined vibration of words from the images created by that particular arrangement of words (information). As you indicate in your next sentence there is a very big difference between “getting” the feeling and assembling the proper words in the proper order to be able to effectively communicate that feeling to another.
Simon: and if you know something fully you should be able to make it simple enough, so that a child (say around 7) could be able to understand you.
My response: Are you referring to a child of 7 like most of us are familiar with, or a child of 7 at the level of Anastasia’s children (and there is a child of 7 version for everything in between.) In the manner that our collective children are currently experiencing life and themselves I do not agree that reducing information to simple enough or clear enough terms should or will result in them being able to understand it. MUCH information is typically needed to restore the child to its pristine openness and capacity to learn from within (as is also needed for adults who have learned to see themselves as separate from nature/God).
A child (or adult) capable of fully understanding what I (and many others) teach MUST experience that information from within. It cannot come from outside even though we are compelled to continually try. I have seen my role for the past 14 years as dual 1) placing signs announcing the existence of another state of Self-Awareness that is worth finding (creating). 2) Clarifying my language presentation of that other level of Self-Awareness to make my own life align ever more fully with Truth.
For 14 years I have been astride of two worlds in my awareness. First I was aware that a small part of my awareness had passed over the line into that larger self-awareness. Gradually I have moved more and more of my everyday experience and creation into that awareness.
I adored Anastasia’s demonstration of living mostly in that larger self-awareness. She has given us all some better arrangements of language to use in creating a duplicable image of everyday life in that larger self-awareness. But more importantly, she has provided within that image, the method to restore anyone to that full inner connection that will eliminate the need to teach others about the truth of Self and the Universe, including children. That method is, of course, creating and then living in a space of love where all the subtle electrical energies of that space are aligned with Love.
Blessings,
JoyceM
